The Perfect Church
Ok we all know that doesn’t exist, but what about the perfect size church?
Is there such a thing? Obviously lots of people like mega-churches (5,000 or more) or there wouldn’t be mega-churches.
Transversely there are a tremendous amount of people who enjoy small churches (100 or less) as there are thousands of them throughout the world. In fact the average church in America is about 75 people.
I’m really enjoying the current size of our church, on Sundays we typically have 150 adults and 50 kids in attendance. There are probably 200 adults and 75 children who are regular attenders.
Over the last six years we’ve grown slowly but surely. We had about 30 adults and 10 children on our first Sunday (May 5th, 2002). We grew to about 50 adults by the end of that summer. Over the next few years we grew to about 75 and then in 2005 we moved to a permanent storefront building and we grew to a consistent 100 adults each Sunday. This last April we moved once again to our current building which seats close to 200 and we’ve been fairly full almost every Sunday since.
As churches grow they change. They take on a different feel.
When our church was 50 people it was really cool; just a big family really. I knew everyone’s name, including their kids. I connected with just about everyone each Sunday. Things were simple. I worked part time for the church and had no other employees to worry about. But there were drawbacks. We couldn’t do a lot of outreach because of lack of funds. When visitors showed up they were underwhelmed with the turnout and dissapointed with the lack of ministries and opportunities within the church. With 50 people to choose from there were many gifts we were lacking and you can only do so much.
As our church transitioned to 100 adults we took on a different look. I was now full time and able to devote myself fully to ministry. We were still in a dinky little building downtown but we packed everyone in there and the church seemed full and lively. We were able to do more outreach, including two large scale outreaches that I really can’t believe we pull off. I was still on a first name basis with all regular attenders, but we began to have more visitors and I began to lose track of the growing population of children. We were able to bring our worship leader on part time and things began to get busier as we had to get more organized.
I see this transition happening again as we continue to grow and hover around the 200 adult mark. We have a myriad of ministry and fellowship opportunities going on. Our mid-week service has the same attendance as we used to have on Sundays. Stewart, our worship/office/graphic/gopher guy is full time and we have “regular” office hours. We have a soup kitchen with a part time staff member, a bookkeeper, a color copier (that needs constant repair), and 50 women attending the ladies Bible study that is offered on both Thursday morning and evening. Although I really try, I don’t know everybody’s name (especially the kids) and there are times that there seem to be more new people than regulars on a given Sunday. Although I think it’s sad, the new people seem to stick around more consistently. Oh and my favorite thing of all (well not really) we’re getting new chairs! Real church chairs that have padding and stack.
Is there a perfect size church? Probably not. I don’t think I would like to pastor a mega-church as they seem so impersonal and ineffective in the area of discipleship. Not to mention our whole town is only 10,000 people so I don’t think a mega-church is part of our future. Nor would I want our church to be 50 again as smaller churches are so limited in what they can do.
I think 300-500 people may be the perfect size church as you can do a lot in the area of missions, outreach, and practical community service and still retain that personal family atmosphere.
If we ever grow to that point I’ll let you know if it’s perfect or not.




September 19, 2008 at 11:28 am
Pastor Ryan
I like the picture of the Little Red Church with the steeple. Now that’s my kind of church small. Mega is ok if that is what you like, I just feel lost in a Crowd at big churches.
September 19, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I like big churches. I like small churches. One of my favorites to be at and teach at is 50 or so people. Another one of my favorites to be at and teach at is 7,000 people. My home church is around 250. I know almost everyone. It is sweet. I see benefits and drawbacks to most size churches. God has those families drawn together for a purpose, big and small. They fit the area they work in, they draw the people Holy Spirit draws.
September 19, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Rueben…you get to teach at churches of 7,000! Wow you’re big time…can I have your autograph.
I will say this…whatever size your church is you need to be content. So many guys despise the days of small things and they try to treat their small church like it’s a big church and now the poor people who are attending the small church simply because they like the small family feel are forced to endure a pastor who insists on treating it like a mega church.
September 19, 2008 at 3:58 pm
I have a youth group of about 10 faithful! I must be famous!
September 19, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Dude, some day we have to visit.
September 19, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Rueben…do you still have my #? If so call me anytime. If not email me and I will give it to you.
September 19, 2008 at 4:20 pm
No, I mean visit, as in meat to meat Starbucks drunkenness in brotherly unity.
September 19, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Oh you mean like face to face…mano y mano. I would love to get out to Tom’s conference some year or maybe we can meet half way like in Idaho or something.
September 19, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Ryan, I’m curious: If your church started to grow well above that 500 mark, what would you do to keep the smaller church feel. Not just to play the what if game… I just wonder about having a top-number-goal type of thinking.
September 20, 2008 at 9:11 am
Rob…sorry it took me so long to get you out of moderation. I tried last night but wordpress was being a jerk so anyway as to your question.
Now look my ego is just as big as the next pastor and I’m not going to lie and say that I wouldn’t want to have a church of 500+. But here’s what I think can happen.
When a church reaches 500 people then take one of the elders/assistant pastors and send them to another part of town to plant a church. You could help them for a time and send people and resources. It could even be a “campus” of sorts but have a real pastor who teaches live, like Mars Hill does at some of their campuses.
Again I don’t see this happening here because our town is so small but in a larger city this could work well.
September 20, 2008 at 12:31 pm
hi Rob! good to see you.
Ryan 9:11, that is what our church does. our pastor says to the question about the size of our church, “We are a med. size church looking to feel smaller.”
When the small groups reach about 24 or so they will ‘multiply’ them out into two separate small groups.
We have send out people in a neighboring town to plant a church, we have opened a new campus with it’s own lead pastor, and we have adopted a failing church…in each case we carried the ‘baby church’ financially and with any other resources they needed til they were established.
From the pulpit the pastor encourages people to visit the other churches to see it one is a better fit for them than any others or just for the fellowship and to get to know more of our brothers and sisters.
September 20, 2008 at 12:41 pm
dusty…that sounds really cool!
September 20, 2008 at 6:40 pm
The perfect size church is the one the Lord gives you.
September 20, 2008 at 7:53 pm
CK,
I hear what you’re saying here but the problem with that is this…
How about the unhealthy churches pastored by men who refuse to see that they need to make some serious changes in their way of doing things and yet the keep saying things like, “well this is what the Lord has given me.”
No…the Lord has way more for you and your church but you’re driving the thing into the ground because you refuse to change.
September 21, 2008 at 5:49 am
The perfect church wouldn’t have any people…and it certainly wouldn’t have me as pastor…
September 21, 2008 at 7:50 am
okie, i have to disagree with that – “the perfect church wouldn’t have any people”
we are the church…not the building. We are all imperfect, and I get that is what you are referring to. But if we all would be real and not try to be what we are not…flaws and all it would be a ‘perfect’ place to come together to worship God with each other.
Buster posted something interesting on ZIZA called ” Lorie is done playing church” I think it may be relevant to this thread…
http://ziza.cc/threads.asp?threadid=1950
September 21, 2008 at 7:52 am
As to the size of the church…if it is large enough for someone to get lost in the crowd…I think that takes away from the whole point of coming together.
September 21, 2008 at 8:16 am
Pastor Ryan
Praying for you as you teach today.
September 21, 2008 at 8:24 am
Thank you Mary…blessings on all of you as you seek Him today!
I’m teaching Ruth 4. What an amazing book.
September 21, 2008 at 11:04 am
Ryan,
I totally agree with you. I should’ve clarified. If you are teaching the Word passionately, clearly, and accurately, loving the people God has given you, and following the leading of His Spirit, then the perfect-sized church is the one He has given you. Bless you, my friend.